Brooks B17 Saddle

The Brooks B17 bicycle saddle has been on the market for over 100 years, featuring in the company's catalogue for 1898. Brooks England Ltd still manufacture a wide variety of traditional leather saddles; the iconic Brooks saddle has become a design classic, evoking a bygone age of cycling on the open road, warm summers, and leafy picnics. The B17, from their range of 'Classic Saddles for the serious cyclist', is the flagship model, which Brooks say is ideal for long distance sportive touring, trekking, and all-terrain use. I bought one recently.

It's a thing of beauty. The shaped leather surface is stretched over a simple steel frame consisting of two side rails and a curved cantleplate at the rear to which the leather is rivetted and where the classic Brooks badge is displayed on a small steel plate. There are also three rivets at the front (the 'nose') where the saddle can be tensioned with a chromed steel nut and bolt accessible from underneath. The Brooks logo and 'Champion Standard B.17' are stamped into the leather at each side, and three ventilation holes are punched along the top. Last but not least, there are two saddlebag eyelets below the cantleplate.

Brooks B17 saddle

Brooks B17 saddle

The B17 Standard is available coloured either black or honey. Mine, above, is coloured honey. Brooks also makes the B17 S (for women), the B17 Special, with copper-plated metalwork and hand hammered copper rivets (available in three colours and a women's version), and the B17 Titanium (available in four colours). The full range of products is displayed on the Brooks website.

Breaking-in a new Brooks saddle

When new, Brooks saddles are notoriously hard compared to modern gel-padded bicycle saddles. They're reputed to vary a little, as one would expect with leather, but mine came as hard as plywood. Brooks themselves say that the leather on their saddles should never become soft but should be allowed mould itself to your unique anatomy. They advise that attempting to accelerate the breaking-in period by applying oils and waxes will cause a saddle to become a hammock, no longer capable of properly adapting to the rider. Many cyclists report their Brooks saddle to be perfectly comfortable out-of-the-box, others say it can take 1,000 miles or so to break one in, and others advocate that the leather should be soaked and pummeled in various ways until it submits. Of course there are also many cyclists who won't go near a Brooks saddle on the grounds that they're a relic of the past and TV adaptations of Miss Marple and Poirot.

I bought one because, after 25 years of cycling, I've never had a truly comfortable saddle and I want to extend my distances. I knew I might be wasting money on a useless piece of junk, but I was persuaded by cyclists who profess to delight in the joys of a rock-hard saddle. My B17 certainly wasn't comfortable out-of-the-box. It was much too hard, but its shape suited me perfectly so I decided to persevere with it for six weeks or 1,000 miles maximum and then be prepared to throw it away. And I accelerated the breaking-in period, as follows:

Soaking the B17 leather

Instead of applying the Proofide ointment recommended by Brooks I applied Flexalan lanolised leather dressing from a local saddlery. Flexalan is a very runny liquid and will easily soak right through the saddle's 4mm thick leather when applied from underneath – applied on the top, the liquid is reluctant to soak in. It was applied only at the parts of the saddle where the sit-bones make contact with the surface.

Saddle sit-bone areas soaked in Flexalan

Saddle sit-bone areas soaked in Flexalan

After 600 miles, the saddle became comfortable. The soaked areas have begun to dry out and it remains generally hard, but the leather has softened considerably at the point of contact, where the sit-bones pound up and down. It's nicely bouncy but won't become a hammock because along most of the centreline and at the sides (which act as beams) it hasn't softened at all. The soft spots would probably have appeared anyway, without soaking them in Flexalan, but it would have taken longer – and I wasn't prepared to wait.

In the 1960s and earlier, apparently, the Brooks B17 was everyone's racing choice, including professionals. But the pros would have the saddle leather removed, soaked in Neatsfoot oil, and hammered until it was supple. Then it would be reassembled to the saddle frame and secured using very large copper rivets (because it was so soft) and the excess leather at the rear and the nose was trimmed off. Riders always took their saddles with them to a new team, as they were irreplaceable.

Brooks touring saddles

The B17, and the sprung version – the Brooks Flyer, are especially popular with touring cyclists who travel long distances day after day, sometimes for weeks at a time. Comfort becomes crucial. A gel-padded saddle can feel comfortable for a few miles but they tend to cause rubbing around the rider's buttocks and inner thighs, because the sit-bones sink in, pressing into a wider area of the backside than is required for support. As the miles go by, a soft saddle can become unridable as continuous chafing and sweating lead to saddle sores.

Harder saddles made of leather, moulded to the sit-bones, and more naturally breathable, are regarded by many long-distance cyclists as inherently more comfortable. My B17 was certainly comfortable on a recent cycle tour in Denmark.

Brooks Flyer touring saddle

Brooks Flyer touring saddle

Illustrated above is a touring bicycle fitted with a well-used honey coloured Brooks Flyer sprung leather saddle. The indentations created by rider's sit-bones are visible on the leather surface over the springs.

Read more about the history of the Brooks B17 saddle »

9 responses to “Brooks B17 Saddle”

  1. Posted by ToddBS July 4th, 2009 at 00:36

    Nice personal review of it. I've heard nothing but good about the Brooks saddles, especially from a touring standpoint. I'm just beginning to get into bicycle touring myself and I have an opportunity to get a Brooks saddle for ridiculously cheap. I wonder, since you seem to have ridden both, would you recommend the classic B17 or the sprung version (Flyer)?

  2. Posted by Patrick July 4th, 2009 at 08:06

    The bicycle shown above isn't mine, so I can't comment first-hand on the Brooks Flyer, but I've heard that the springs can be a nuisance, bouncing up and down too much, and it weighs more. I believe the B17 is much more popular as a touring saddle. Mine is now very comfortable.

  3. Posted by Mark B September 2nd, 2009 at 18:54

    Lucky enough to have a bike fitted with the B17 and another with the Flyer model I would certainly say that the B17 saddle is the better choice for touring. My experience with the Flyer is that it is a wonderful saddle for an MTB – no need for suspension at all IMO – but that the B17 is a far better saddle for riding long distances as the rear portion is wider. Also, I have noticed that it is possible to 'excite' the Flyer's spings into some sort of sympathetic vibration. If you pedal at just the right cadence, the movement of your body seems to set the saddle bouncing. Perhaps I also should add that my B17 is well over twenty years old and the Flyer about fifteen.

  4. Posted by Paul E November 14th, 2009 at 07:05

    I'm onto my third B17 (honey color) and yes it is hard but I'll live with that as time goes by and if you keep the proofride up to it, it will be waterproof and always feel supple. Don't let the leather dry out, that is akin to throwing money away. I have a flyer which I use on long distances over some really bad roads and fully loaded touring.

  5. Posted by Philip R March 22nd, 2010 at 22:39

    Thought you might like to look at my old Brooks B17. It dates from the 1950's. I got it on a secondhand BSA Golden Wings in 1963 when I was 15. It's now tearing across the back, I've taped it up and wedged some wood underneath but it's not going to last. I've travelled 1000's of miles on it, perhaps if I'd had it from new "it would have lasted a lifetime". Now I'll have to buy another.
    http://philiprogers.blogspot.com/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42551295@N07/4455433172/

  6. Posted by Dave Ware April 15th, 2010 at 16:30

    I have had a Brooks Team Pro saddle since August last year and although I have done over 1.200 miles it is still not very comfortable and left me a bit sore after a 100km ride at the weekend. No chaffing – just tender on the sit-bones. I have only ever used Proofide. Is it time to go for Neatsfoot oil (or something similar) or should I get a B17?

  7. Posted by Patrick April 16th, 2010 at 11:43

    I think it's trial and error as to whether the saddle fits your anatomy. Your sit bones should be on the centres of the triangles where the saddle is widest and create soft spots in the leather. The B17 standard is a bit wider than the Team Pro so it may offer more comfort. On longer rides I use Assos Creme (or similar) in padded shorts.

  8. Posted by Kyle August 31st, 2010 at 19:17

    I have a swift, and love it, but after applying proofide on it for months and riding it almost everyday (commuter) I need a b17. The swift is a little too narrow for my sit bones. With the b17 I think I am going to apply neetsfoot oil to the underside before one long ride after I get the proper saddle position. Then I will leave it alone and just use proofide again.
    So, the b17 is on it's way, and I am excited. The swift has been great, but need something a little wider.

  9. Posted by Patrick August 31st, 2010 at 21:11

    If I were you I'd use only Proofide. I bought another Brooks B17 and it's a bit bouncier than the one illustrated here. The Flexalan soaking described above has deadened the saddle a little (less bounce) compared to the second Proofided one.

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